.... 200 times worse than conventional energy like oil and gas.  The 200 times figure is not given in this clip, that stat comes from the UK government website and in the context that I heard it, the example was, the environmental damage and energy costs to manufacture a "vegan leather belt", instead of a regular leather belt, "is 200 times greater".    If I remember right, the man asked the woman how much her vegan belt cost and it was about $30, so he said "that's about how much gas it'd take you to go from here to (some some other place)... it's like you making that trip 200 times, that's the true cost". Something like that.   It's a good number.